It's like expecting a boxer to shadow box if they've never even sparred.My take is that they can be a tool for refinement of mechanical minutiae, but that refinement is only possible once you are reasonably solid in the actual application. Karate has many faces but the pity is, even the last dude in white dress will claim he is practising self defense martial art, that is karate. You then map that application back into drill. Steve Morris is a special man, prepared to stand alone as he turns or perhaps, pulls apart the vagaries that permeate the world of martial arts...Watching him teach, it is obvious that he has developed a ‘total method’ of training that will prepare the student for the reality of fighting. Otherwise it's just interpretive dance.I wouldn't really be bothered with kata. That will make much more sense.If you don't have experience of application, then forms/isolation exercises will be unavoidably perfunctory.If you don't have experience of application, then forms/isolation exercises will be unavoidably perfunctory.Which is why I said I don't think they are good for beginners. From 2008 DVD filmed at Primal. I've got the first 12 strikes of the Inosanto/Lacoste system with a single stick and that's about it.I also agree with your opinion that at some stage you are better off creating your own forms. He's making a bold claim that you'd learn more with him for 30 minutes than 30 years karate. Use of the head to determine direction and drive movement. I could not agree more with Mr.Morris that Karate ceased to be Fighting Art at the turn of the century, when it went publicly, was introduced into schools, colleges, etc. That's why I prefer judo and weapon/self defence kata to make a complete system.Also you're going off-topic.

Discussion in 'Karate' started by ronki23, ... Morris says all karate including Kyokushin, Goju Ryu and Fujian White Crane are useless. Steve Morris says all forms of Karate are useless. If you train application first. What do people think of 'Mad Morris'?? They aren't my favourites in the usual sense--often, quite the contrary! He's making an even bolder claiming his students would destroy the UFC roster. ?This shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what kata/forms are - which is understandable on the surface in fairness.The standard practice of doing kata first and then trying to apply the movements in practical application seems all backwards to me.Agree with you 100% there. Morris says all karate including Kyokushin, Goju Ryu and Fujian White Crane are useless. I use the 'favourite' facility to collect material for my blog and website. Are you deliberately trolling the forum or just got some pent up issues you need to exorcise?Kata and forms aren't useless - you are probably just useless at themThe only good kata would be weapon defence katas in judo as weapon katas and randori are all I want out of judo; I used to do ju jitsu as well and found that deflecting strikes or defending against strikes before a throw was unrealistic. He's making a bold claim that you'd learn more with him for 30 minutes than 30 years karate. www.morrisnoholdsbarred.co.uk